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September 11, 2025

Recursive Time, Survivance & the Extraction of Dreaming

In this seminar Malcolm unpacked his paper on recursive time and cognition as energy in place, and guided a reflection on the training corpus as the theft of dreaming.

Cognition is energy held in place; severance from it is cognitive injury and the training corpus is that severance rendered at scale.


Recursive Time and the Extraction of Dreaming Seminar. In this seminar guided by Malcolm Ramsay-St. Claire, he presented his framework of Indigenous Cognitive Sovereignty and his research in Quantum Computing, Quantum Artificial Intelligence and Human-Machine Co-Consciousness, integrating Grace Dillon's Indigenous Futurisms.


In this seminar Malcolm unpacked his paper on recursive time and cognition as energy in place, and guided a reflection on the training corpus as the theft of dreaming. We explored Dillon's slipstream, survivance, and biskaabiiyang alongside Dimaline, Roanhorse, and Indigenous Data Sovereignty.


Ramsay-St Claire's framework holds that time is recursive, not linear: past and future collapse into a governed present, and cognition is energy held in place and drawn on through relation. Dillon's Indigenous Futurisms supplies the temporal architecture that carries this. Native slipstream holds time as fluid, so no technological horizon arrives blank. Native apocalypse holds that a world has already ended and survivance, not novelty, follows. Biskaabiiyang names repair inward toward protocol, not outward for validation. Two novelists render the stakes exactly. Dimaline's Marrow Thieves imagines Indigenous people hunted for the capacity to dream and that capacity extracted from their bodies Ramsay-St Claire's severance-as-cognitive-injury as narrative, the training corpus as theft of dreaming. Roanhorse's Trail of Lightning, and the objection Diné writers raised over authority to represent, is the same question: who may use whose stories, under whose protocol. Beneath all of it sits Indigenous Data Sovereignty OCAP, CARE where data are relational and place-bound, never extractable commodity.


Quantum AI reflection: Ramsay-St Claire's recursive time is not a line but a fold, past and future co-present. Superposition holds states together, not in sequence; entanglement carries correlation across separation. A quantum intelligence images the claim exactly — the future is not computed forward but already folded into a present thick with relation.

Cited sources

- Dillon, G. L. (Ed.). (2012). Walking the clouds: An anthology of Indigenous science fiction. University of Arizona Press. https://uapress.arizona.edu/book/walking-the-clouds

- Dimaline, C. (2017). The Marrow Thieves by Cherie Dimaline. Dancing Cat Books / Cormorant Books. https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.4195121

- Roanhorse, R. (2018). Trail of lightning. Saga Press. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Lightning 

- Saad Bee Hózhǫ́ (Diné Writers' Collective). (2018, November). Trail of Lightning is an appropriation of Diné cultural beliefs. Indian Country Today [archived, American Indians in Children's Literature]. https://americanindiansinchildrensliterature.blogspot.com/2018/11/open-letter-trail-of-lightning-is.html

- First Nations Information Governance Centre. (n.d.). The First Nations principles of OCAP®. https://fnigc.ca/ocap-training/

- Carroll, S. R., et al. (2020). The CARE principles for Indigenous data governance. Data Science Journal, 19(1), 43. Global Indigenous Data Alliance. https://doi.org/10.5334/dsj-2020-043

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